tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post7687171379300575432..comments2024-03-19T07:36:33.915-04:00Comments on Of Battered Aspect: Go! Now! Start!Dave Hingsburgerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-63796519081745310342007-08-08T16:45:00.000-04:002007-08-08T16:45:00.000-04:00ArrsessI completely agree. This dialogue has been ...Arrsess<BR/><BR/>I completely agree. This dialogue has been both passioned and purposeful. You have hit on several key points to be learned here. I promise you, I have paid attention.<BR/><BR/>I, too, hope this is the end.<BR/><BR/>Dave HingsburgerDave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-38566359525200686702007-08-08T16:21:00.000-04:002007-08-08T16:21:00.000-04:00Dave. H/Stephen. F,I think the key lessons in this...Dave. H/Stephen. F,<BR/><BR/>I think the key lessons in this are 'to ask, then read and listen' which has now happened here, ended this issue in reasonable debate. <BR/><BR/>I can't help adding that had that happened in the first instance instead of the petition, letters, blogs, comments, assumptions and sitrred up feeling, this blog as well as the thread on ARRSE would not be a lengthy as it is now.<BR/><BR/>End.Arrsesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16952460355760801030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-1758926564221736892007-08-08T12:52:00.000-04:002007-08-08T12:52:00.000-04:00Jodders, thanks for the comment. We have discussed...Jodders, thanks for the comment. We have discussed the issue of humour here so often that it isn't funny. So I'm going to leave that alone. Not that it matters or should enter into the discussion but I too am in a wheelchair and I know my legs are there because when I look down my knees peek out from underneath my gut. So all that means is that like other people, folks with disabilities are not a monolithic group, we have variation of opinion just like everyone else.<BR/><BR/>Did you know though, Jodders, that as a woman with a disability you are 8 times more likely to be a victim of a violent crime than a non-disabled woman? Did you know that if you were, god forbid, violently attacked your attacker will probably spend less time in jail than if he'd attacked a walking woman? <BR/><BR/>I work in a clinic with people with disabilities and over 90% of them have been raped, mostly raped by care providers - people who are supposed to be trustworthy. My disability has not affected me as much as 'walking' through the muck of lives ruined by violence.<BR/><BR/>So here we are two people with disabilities who disagree with each other. That's cool. You can freely and loudly disagree with me ... as you did. And I can disagree with you. That's what debate is all about.<BR/><BR/>Dave HingsburgerDave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-14017152861179753712007-08-08T11:23:00.000-04:002007-08-08T11:23:00.000-04:00For crying out loud! I am disabled and my husband ...For crying out loud! I am disabled and my husband is a soldier. I am also an ARRSE'r.<BR/>I followed the thread from the beginning and laughed so much i cried. I also posted on it too. I think my post consisted of a mong going over a cliff in a wheelchair as a new sport. <BR/>Before you start wringing your hands, i am wheelchair bound as my legs are ornamental use only.<BR/>People have different types of humour. Some have a black or sick humour that helps them to face whatever life throws at them.<BR/>It doesn't make them bad, its just their way of dealing with things.<BR/>Its a sad sad day when this political correctness crap makes poeple worried about something they say or write in case it causes screaming abdabs, which it appears to have done in your case.<BR/>I learned to laugh at myself and my disability, what right have you got to say that i am sick because of that?<BR/>Get a grip, get a life and for gods sake get some bloody common sense will you!joddershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08226941007272032924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-17415896986656931672007-08-08T07:08:00.000-04:002007-08-08T07:08:00.000-04:00Hi folks, i have recently just discovered that thi...Hi folks, i have recently just discovered that this debate has reopened. As Dave has said above, i am also very happy to let the matter lie. However, given the criticisms of my role, i have just posted what i hope is a final word on the matter on the ARRSE site and share it here also. Here's to humour and decency!<BR/><BR/>Stephen Finlayson<BR/><BR/>May I apologise for not engaging in this debate earlier, I only recently became aware of its existence. As the apparent cause of much ill feeling, I am happy to respond.<BR/><BR/>In the posts above there are clearly some people making vile comments who are not worth responding to. However, many people have made thoughtful and insightful comments and I am more than happy to engage in dialogue with them.<BR/><BR/>There are a lot of issues here, so forgive me if this feels like an essay.<BR/><BR/>Firstly let me be clear about a couple of points about ARRSE and the armed forces in general.<BR/><BR/>A number of posters have suggested that I have a general problem with ARRSE or the armed forces and have some sort of vendetta. Let me be clear that this is categorically not the case. I have never been in any doubt that the vast majority of ARRSE users are decent, honourable people. The e-mails I exchanged with the administrator also showed him to be a similarly decent person of integrity. I fully recognise that ARRSE is a valuable forum that is responsible for a great deal of good. It strikes me that it seems an extremely important community for the armed forces. The disability community have many similar sites. I have had a serious difficulty with one thread on ARRSE, which I have believed to be dangerous and irresponsible and which appeared to me to breach ARRSE’s own guidelines. I will discuss this in more detail below.<BR/><BR/>Equally, let me be clear that I have no kind of issue with the armed forces. I think some posters may perceive me as a lefty hippie type. Ironically, little could be further from the truth. I am in fact extremely supportive of the military. For all the complications of the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan, I am one of those who believe it is right that we should be there, protecting vulnerable people from fascists and helping them rebuild their countries. I believe the armed forces are doing an extraordinary job and they have my greatest respect both for the job they do and the courage they show, in circumstances I freely acknowledge I cannot begin to imagine. I also fully agree with the posters who point out that this country should be ashamed of the services available to injured, disabled and traumatised soldiers coming back from service. I have been happy to follow some of the links and sign the British Legions petition for improved services. I considered the campaign against opening of the home for families of injured soldiers unpleasant and stupid. Again I reiterate, I support and respect all the armed forces.<BR/><BR/>So to the thread. I came across the thread by accident after a link to another story in The Scotsman newspaper. I was horrified to say the least. I appreciate the point of view that this is just humour but I strongly disagree with it. I know many disabled people who have the most amazing sense of humour about their own situation. One friend of mine does a hilarious piss take of his inability to light a fag due to his constantly shaking hands. I absolutely get the benefits of joking about terrible things that may all too realistically happen to you. This thread appeared to me however, to be something quite different. Many posters were discussing in great detail the possibilities of torturing and killing disable people. Some may find this a harmless joke, I reserve the right to disagree. In all jokes there is a line and I think on this thread the line was crossed by a long way. All communities have guidelines for acceptable behaviour. One of the guidelines ARRSE has is that it will not allow “Hardline extremist views and racism in particular”. One of the questions we asked was simply, do these detailed, gratuitous descriptions of torture and murder not count as “hardline extremist”, particularly given that some used explicit Nazi imagery? Equally, if the place in these threads was taken by say, a black person rather than a disabled person, they would have almost certainly not been allowed. We simply asked the question, why the difference? As Dave Hingsburger has pointed out, the abuse and torture of disabled people is an all too real phenomenon. I appreciate and understand the point of view that threads like this are harmless. However, I strongly disagree. Do I think the majority of the people posting these comments would harm a disabled person I real life, no I don’t. However, if just one person with a dangerous behaviour gets psyched up by engaging in this and harms someone, that is one person too much. Now of course, the internet is full of disturbing images and people and these can never realistically be removed. The question it seems to me though, is do the decent people of ARRSE really want their community used for this kind of thing? If they do fair enough, but I think you cannot be surprised if other people then wish to challenge this. It is worth noting, that neither I, nor anyone else, demanded the removal of the thread. We simply pointed out that we felt outraged by it and that it appeared to violate ARRSE’s own guidelines and asked what ARRSE might be willing to do about it. <BR/><BR/>And so to the petition, which I guess this thread is really about! The petition was set up to highlight our concerns, and to ask the military if they would take action against soldiers expressing such abhorrent views. Given that many of the comments would clearly be illegal if they were attributable (try sending a letter like some of the comments into your local newspaper for publication, I think it’s fair to say you would receive a police visit) I think it is not unreasonable that action be taken against such people if it were possible to do so. To protest about this is a perfectly reasonable right of anyone. It was however set up after initial dialogue with the administrator suggested they would take no action against the thread. This situation changed. Given that, I would be extremely happy to remove the petition but I don’t know how, I can see no way of doing it on the Downing Street website. If anyone can help with that, I will be very happy to remove the petition.<BR/><BR/>May I wish you well with your site and may I thank all the people who were willing to engage in sensible comments about this difficult subject.<BR/><BR/>Stephen FinlaysonStephen Finlaysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534342566879882188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-90224872207449196552007-08-07T21:07:00.000-04:002007-08-07T21:07:00.000-04:00A.N. ArrserThanks for your comment, I too feel tha...A.N. Arrser<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment, I too feel that this is drawing to a close. I have learned much from this discussion and regret that it did not happen from the start. Thanks for the info about posting on Arrse but I think I'll leave it go now, I just wanted to, believe it or not, make a joke. There is something to letting others get together without prying eyes, I'm not going to visit the site again.Dave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-22863244125690018982007-08-07T19:59:00.000-04:002007-08-07T19:59:00.000-04:00Also Dave, if you wish to post on Arrse, youe simp...Also Dave, if you wish to post on Arrse, youe simply need to register.<BR/><BR/>All you require is an email address, and create your own password (In fact less information is required to post in Arrse than is required to post here! ;) )A.N.Arrserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358638995461426020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-77520254922025398322007-08-07T19:57:00.000-04:002007-08-07T19:57:00.000-04:00Dave.Thank you for youe recent response - I hope t...Dave.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for youe recent response - I hope this brings this matter to something of a closure.<BR/><BR/>I think a few things have been highlighted here - the nature of squaddie humour, the way that words on the internet cannot ever express true intention, and also that soldiers cannot post personal information for security reasons.<BR/><BR/>I posted earlier on this blog - I am serving, with a disabled son. I am glad you recognise that our sense of humour (although warped!) is not an expression of intent. I have seen things I truely wish I could erase from my brain - I am still serving, and in the current operational tempo, there is every chance I could see more. I shall deal with them as required, in the meantime I shall exercise my right to poke fun at life in general.<BR/><BR/>One genuine concern though, is regarding Mr Stephen Finlayson. He seems to have a grudge not just against Arrse, but against the forces in general. As he has stated that he has met you, and hopes to do so again in the future, could you kindly give him a clip round the ear and tell him to get a grip?<BR/><BR/>And Stephen, when you read this - kindly slap yourself, to save Dave doing it.A.N.Arrserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358638995461426020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-39450991869556809552007-08-07T18:49:00.000-04:002007-08-07T18:49:00.000-04:00Joe HBefore I begin, I tried to post a note on the...Joe H<BR/><BR/>Before I begin, I tried to post a note on the ARRSE site where someone suggested that I am living proof that a Native American mated with a Buffalo ... I wanted to assure them that if they actually met my mother they would find their analogy entirely too kind! But I can't post on there as I don't have a password.<BR/><BR/>I understand only to well what it is to need a sense of humour in one's work. I will never ever suggest that I understand the strain that the military faces - I have fits of horror knowing that my nephew is in harms way. <BR/><BR/>But working, as I did for years, with sex offenders, all of us as therapists developed a sense of humour that would be shocking to others. It was rude, coarse and would offend many - it differed from the humour on ARRSE only in that it wasn't targetted at another group, it was targetted more on the whole issue of sexuality and deviance. But, my, if anyone heard us we'd have been fired, tarred and feathered, but the laughter was necessary because the work was always so grim and the stories always so painful. And, as you know, it helped to laugh.<BR/><BR/>I get the idea of the release that laughter gives. I also get a lot of what you are saying. You are entirely right, with the electronic age we have to think a bit about what we say and how we say it. You raised a point I hadn't thought of - and that is that some of the readers too may have been unduly encouraged in negative attitudes from the chat.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, I hope you believe that I did what I did with the intention - not of silencing ARRSE - but of stopping a discussion that I believed could have caused harm to those in care, those I care about. The people I work with are not faceless 'mongs' (how I hate that word) to me, they are real people, with real feelings, who get really hurt from namecalling and general disrespect.<BR/><BR/>If it came across that I had no respect for the job you do, the value of the military, or my concern for the safety of everyone on dangerous missions away from home, I apologize. That was never my intent and those words were never said or written by me.<BR/><BR/>Dave HingsburgerDave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-77358820128389566002007-08-07T17:20:00.000-04:002007-08-07T17:20:00.000-04:00Have to agree with virtually everything you posted...Have to agree with virtually everything you posted in your last, Dave with one small qualifying remark.<BR/><BR/>Within the services, my honest opinion is that no-one would, as you suggest, take such comments as encouragement to act in the real world. More to the point, anyone with any propensity towards doing so <I>would</I> be recognised by those around them and the system <I>would</I> be aware of a possible risk. No-one wants to entrust their own safety, or reputation, to someone like that.<BR/><BR/>But something that's often overlooked on ARRSE is that the rest of the world looks in. Sometimes that very fact spurs posters on to be just that little bit more outrageous, that one step more provocative, than they may be even in a "normal" service setting. Sort of, a way to set themselves aside from the civvies who join by showing how much further "squaddie humour" can go.<BR/><BR/>The problem with that is that <I>those reading may not be of the same mentality</I>. Often, that simply means they take serious offence where humour is genuinely intended (as has happened with this thread).<BR/><BR/>But there is always the possibility, as you say, tht someone may take what's posted as validation for genuine fantasies that they hide.<BR/><BR/>The forces tend to be able to laugh at just about any situation, no matter how serious, while still retaining a sense of exactly how serious it is. They'll find humour in absolutely anything because it helps them to face those things when they encounter them in real life.<BR/><BR/>It's also something that is often best kept from those outside the services. Not for fear of offending but for fear that someone may take your suggestions seriously.<BR/><BR/>An example happened during our recent campaign to get planning permission for SSAFA in Ashtead. Before the MODs clamped down on the initial banter on thread, suggestions were made such as driving a Challenger MBT down the road to show them what having their peace disturbed means. These were <I>not</I> serious suggestions in any way but, not only did some local residents take them as such, it seems that others who heard about the campaign may have taken things a stage further and issued direct threats to residents of the area.<BR/><BR/>Would that have happened if those responsible hadn't seen the aggressive banter, meant entirely in jest, from servicemen? Probably not. So, while the servicemen ran a successful and clean public campaign, their "private" banter may have resulted in unnecessary upset at the hands of someone who took it too literally.<BR/><BR/>My personal view is that people need to become more aware of these consequences as technology increased our ability to communicate.<BR/><BR/>I understand some members of ARRSE feeling that an attack on their "freedom" to banter is unjustified and, in fact, agree with them on principle. <BR/><BR/>But there's also a responsibility for them to realise just how far that banter may be heard when it's not in a "real" NAAFI bar, and just who may be hearing it.Joe Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948885263737756318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-90788275582964461872007-08-07T09:22:00.000-04:002007-08-07T09:22:00.000-04:00Joe HWhat is finally happening here between you an...Joe H<BR/><BR/>What is finally happening here between you and I is what should have been happening all along. I need to apologize too, I did not realize that you were unable to use last names for your own personal security. As soon as that was pointed out to me it made perfect sense and if I'd known that I would have responded sooner. I have no wish for anyone to be put at danger.<BR/><BR/>And I guess that's what the point here is, I don't want anyone to be put at needless risk. Many of those who have commented say 'Most of the guys who post would never hurt someone with a disability' but what about the one's not included in 'most'. Isn't it even slightly possible that they would feel encouraged to translate their negative attitudes to real worlds situations.<BR/><BR/>Here, by the way, is the real world situation ...<BR/><BR/>People with disabilities are more likely to be physcially or sexually abused than members of the typical population, 80% of women and 60% of men with disabilities will be molested or raped while still children.<BR/><BR/>Those who rape and murder people with disabilities are less likely to serve jail time and those that do serve less time than if they had abused a 'real' person.<BR/><BR/>100% of the time when a person with a visible intellectual disability goes into the community they will face some form of social discrimination - pointing, laughing, staring, name calling.<BR/><BR/>Having an intellectual disabilities means that you are less likely to get abuse prevention training, bullying training, sex education ... all of which would help people become their own first line of defense.<BR/><BR/>Part of the problem is that social structures set up to help people with disabilities - don't. Police are reluctant to investigation, courts are reluctant to prosecute, therefore people feel they can get away with anything they want.<BR/><BR/>My problem with the thread is that if even one of those members feels encouraged to use the denegrating words against a person with a disability - then damage enough is done.<BR/><BR/>The military has my full respect. I do not and did not wish to do anything but to address the issue of what I saw as hateful images - images to harsh to be protected by a 'don't come in if you don't want to be offended' sign. I come from a father wounded in service to his country and have a nephew now serving my country. I am proud of my fathers record, proud of my nephews service and they are proud that I have chosen to work toward the protection of vulnerable people. We've all see us as performing in different ways - the same job. Protecting the innocent from unjust behaviour.Dave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-76168764794487948812007-08-07T08:51:00.000-04:002007-08-07T08:51:00.000-04:00Apologies, Dave. Genuine mistake here, followed t...Apologies, Dave. Genuine mistake here, followed the wrong link and ended on the wrong blog.<BR/><BR/>Please accept the name calling in my last for what it was - a dig at what I imagined to be censorship of an opposing POV. That's something that all should guard against, and it's part of the reason that the ARRSE COs allow threads like the one in question to stand.<BR/><BR/>I see that GCO has gone on record here expressing his own feelings about the thread but also making clear that ARRSE at least attempts to avoid censoring anything that's not illegal.<BR/><BR/>I also found the vast majority of that thread offensive, although I'd suggest there are a few posts amongst the dross that hit you in the eyes and make you think. That in itself is enough to validate its existence.<BR/><BR/>One of the problems with a great deal of so-called "PC" behaviour is that it too easily dismisses alternative viewpoints which <I>may</I> have a valid bearing on an issue. If it doesn't fit current thinking then it's deviant in some way.<BR/><BR/>In the case of this thread, it <I>is</I> deviant but that really does <I>not</I> mean that the people posting actually fantasize over what they write about. <BR/><BR/>The ability to face people pointing automatic weapons at you, or leaving bombs for you, takes a certain mind-set and a lot of the "bullying", as perceived from outside, is not harmful <I>to that mind-set</I>. Hence the defence of "it's only banter". <BR/><BR/>As a rule, such banter is kept between those who understand it and, in fact, benefit from the release it offers. As a matter of interest, similar threads have been made about a huge number of groups - from other branches of the Services and nationalities - the Crabs (RAF) and septics (Americans) get it especially hard, to people with ginger hair and many other groups. <BR/><BR/>Despite the "hateful" comments, these are <I>all</I> groups that everyone in the forces would willingly, and literally, lay down their own lives in defence of. Except the Crabs, of course!<BR/><BR/>One difference with the "handicapped" thread is that, whilst it's unlikely any of the posters will go to work tomorrow and come home with ginger hair, there's a very real possibility that they may come home with severe mental disability - whether physical or psychological.<BR/><BR/>Everyone serving understands, more than most, that disability really doesn't define the person. They understand it because, in their life, it's not a theoretical exercise like putting on a blindfold to "experience" blindness. It's a real, and ever-present possibility of what they do.<BR/><BR/>So they laugh about it. And, if it happens to them, they would expect their comrades to laugh about it with them. The internet simply allows their laughter to be heard where, perhaps, it shouldn't be.Joe Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948885263737756318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-2718685968907909342007-08-07T07:53:00.000-04:002007-08-07T07:53:00.000-04:00Joe H, your comment was not removed, you did not p...Joe H, your comment was not removed, you did not post it here, you posted it on Enough Said and it is still there. I have not removed any posts.<BR/><BR/>I agree that your point was well presented. You state that people who see the darker side of life need an outlet for that darkness lest it fester. Therefore using people with disabilities as the butt for their humourous imaginings of them dieing in gas chambers (did you know that Hitler experimented on people with disabilities in order to fine tune mass killing of others? there is a monument to thousands of the dead disabled at Hadamar Germany) is an acceptable practice.<BR/><BR/>People with disabilities have always been used thusly, as idiots and fools to be made fun of, mocked, so that others can feel better about themselves. I don't think this is an acceptable reason for using that kind of language.<BR/><BR/>I, do however, respect the fact that you took the time to write a well reasoned and thoughtful response.<BR/><BR/>Even though I disagree with you and you obviously with me, I am willing to dialogue but the name calling must stop or I will not respond to you.<BR/><BR/>Dave HingsburgerDave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-36605631804038408732007-08-07T07:36:00.000-04:002007-08-07T07:36:00.000-04:00David H wrote: "I am not responding to posts from ...<B>David H wrote:</B> <I>"I am not responding to posts from ARRSE because I do not respond to name calling or argument from those who do not have the courage to sign their names."</I><BR/><BR/>Funnily enough, I posted a comment yesterday in which I offered reasoned argument without any abuse or name calling. It was anonymous, simply because I didn't have time to sign up for a google account at the time.<BR/><BR/>It was contrary to your point of view about the thread in question but it was polite, well-reasoned and (potentially) thought-provoking. <BR/><BR/>In it, I admitted to finding the thread in question personally distasteful but tried to explain <I>why</I> servicemen develop a sense of humour like this when they face the possibility of becoming terribly maimed because of their job.<BR/><BR/>I also predicted that it wouldn't last more than about 15 minutes. I was correct.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps that was because my wording and approach didn't fit in with your stereotyped and view of what "those people" are like? Maybe, had I validated your view by including a couple of personal expletives, you would have kept it and pointed gleefully at the "further evidence" of the appalling and discriminatory views of ARRSERS?<BR/><BR/>Possibly if I suggest this time that you're a sanctimonious tw*t who has no concept whatsoever of understanding <I>anything</I> but your own narrow-minded and jealously held point of view you'll let my commments stand?<BR/><BR/>If that's the case, then I'm sorry for disappointing you yesterday. <BR/><BR/>Oh, wait one, no I'm not because you're a cnut!Joe Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06948885263737756318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-30680994040695265882007-08-07T06:08:00.000-04:002007-08-07T06:08:00.000-04:00In fact, go ahead and make yourself look stupid. ...In fact, go ahead and make yourself look stupid. You're doing a top job.Arrsesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16952460355760801030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-7386421512843159022007-08-07T06:04:00.000-04:002007-08-07T06:04:00.000-04:00Dave H.,In regards to leaving a full name, I take ...Dave H.,<BR/><BR/>In regards to leaving a full name, I take it you have no idea about rules about serving soldiers and the media? People who can't log in can't see all the comments so that's why think some are deleted. But you knew that when you changed the format.<BR/><BR/>And you haven't had the decency to ask the Arrse public, including those with disabilities or work/live with, about the thread. What is the point of making a complaint about something without seeing if you have something to complain about first? <BR/>You remind me of someone who revels in seeing or hearing themselves in print/media regardless of the issue. I hope you really stop making yourself look silly.Arrsesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16952460355760801030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-13669600233887077372007-08-07T05:30:00.000-04:002007-08-07T05:30:00.000-04:00The thread hasn't been closed - it's being tidied ...The thread hasn't been closed - it's being tidied up to preserve the very funniest comments and will be back shortly.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!ARRSE_Moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18209841427268664737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-59218960768672358472007-08-07T05:15:00.000-04:002007-08-07T05:15:00.000-04:00"...There also seems to be an idea that I am runni..."<I>...There also seems to be an idea that I am running a campaign against ARRSE, this is not true. <B>I wanted the thread closed, it was</B>. </I>"<BR/><BR/>What gives <I>you</I> the right to decide what is acceptable or not on other websites.<BR/><BR/>Yes maybe the posts were a bit naughty, but at the end of the day thats all they were.<BR/><BR/>May I ask what you was actually looking for when you found them?<BR/><BR/>Why did you ignore warnings about possible offensive content and still read them?<BR/><BR/>Do you spend your time surfing the net looking for this type of material?<BR/><BR/>If so why?<BR/><BR/>Ill accept that some soldiers can have what appears to be an evil sense of humor but to actually find a soldier that would carry out what you read would be extremely rare.<BR/><BR/>"<I>...I may not agree and argue with what you say, but I will fight to allow you to say it</I>"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296910500633113576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-2621703162540515222007-08-07T05:01:00.000-04:002007-08-07T05:01:00.000-04:00ARRSErs - please desist this now. It is clear tha...ARRSErs - please desist this now. It is clear that posting on this hopeless fat heap's blog is merely validating his life - he hasn't had this much attention EVER!<BR/><BR/>Please go back to ARRSE and forget this idiot and let him send his blitherings into the void. We've all seen how utterly useless and ill-informed he and his ilk are, and all you're doing now is making everything good and positive ARRSE has achieved over the last months and years look trite and a tad silly.<BR/><BR/>Many thanks. Out.<BR/><BR/>PS - Dave - you are a spinless little turd. If you want to post such complete garbage, come on ARRSE and do it and you'll get your side of the 'argument' heard. I've seen your speeches on www.farnorthernrc.org and frankly, you have issues. Try dealing with them, eh?ARRSE_Moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18209841427268664737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-36011737607986512772007-08-07T04:59:00.000-04:002007-08-07T04:59:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296910500633113576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-66753693461879208532007-08-06T18:33:00.000-04:002007-08-06T18:33:00.000-04:00Dave, I tried in my earlier comment to be reasonab...Dave, I tried in my earlier comment to be reasonable, but you're just being petty.<BR/>Fcuk off, you petty, thick, gopping civilian cnut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-41609316500052176632007-08-06T17:33:00.000-04:002007-08-06T17:33:00.000-04:00We do not post our real names because of something...We do not post our real names because of something caller PerSec!!Otherwise known as Personal Security! Remember the plot to kidnap a British Soldier & kill him last year?Or the IRA?<BR/>That is why we use nicknames,other sites do the same,what makes you so special?<BR/>Pillock!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-84588697743036855792007-08-06T17:19:00.000-04:002007-08-06T17:19:00.000-04:00I am not responding to posts from ARRSE because I ...I am not responding to posts from ARRSE because I do not respond to name calling or argument from those who do not have the courage to sign their names. <BR/><BR/>There also seems to be an idea that I am running a campaign against ARRSE, this is not true. I wanted the thread closed, it was. I wrote to complain to the site and one offical complaint. Weeks ago. Once the thread was off, the matter was closed to me and I have not engaged in any further action regarding ARRSE. You may, of course, continue to post your anger here as you will.<BR/><BR/>Dave HingsburgerDave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-28041113855728434342007-08-06T15:31:00.000-04:002007-08-06T15:31:00.000-04:00Do you honestly believe that people who contribute...Do you honestly believe that people who contributed to that thread on ARRSE would really do that to a handicapped person? Really? Then I think you may be the most sick one. In the same ideology, any person laughs at an sexually-motivated joke or emailed jpeg must be a likely rapist or deviant. Come on now, get a grip. <BR/>GCO and other people from the site have posted replies to you to which most are ignored because you've started an agenda and just hard-headed to stop now despite being shown where you ought to stop and think. People who posted on there are some of the same ones who may have tended to and cared for casualities including comrades and civilians. Like mentioned, there are many who are disabled, injured or have friends&family who are, and many more who use humour to get through their loss or injuries. Ask them, and while you might be doing that, look at how the (same?) members post on the casualty/WIA threads, you won't find the same comments although they may be referring to those with a physical or mental handicap.<BR/><BR/>You went on the site, then into a forum where there was a warning on the 'door'. You went for one singular thing you don't like without asking anyone for an explanation but ignored the good the site has done (and has been documented in national media), and launched a crusade about something you have no clue about. You are out of your depth and making yourself look petty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-62362527736052370052007-08-06T15:23:00.000-04:002007-08-06T15:23:00.000-04:00I am a soldier, an arrser and have disabled friend...I am a soldier, an arrser and have disabled friends and relatives. <BR/><BR/>My mother works with disabled children (she has been attacked before now by mentally handicapped children), my aunty works with special educational needs and my wife works with children of disabilities (including teaching them to swim). <BR/><BR/>I have assisted voluntarily with a child who was abused by a man and wouldn't trust men (I was one of the first he wouldn't run from) and with children with special needs.<BR/><BR/>I helped one child off and on the bus so he could carry the baton for the Commonwealth games in 2002. I also manufactured the clamp so he could "hold" the baton. He is, sadly, dead now. He died young due to his condition, terrible at speaking, he dribbled alot too, but bloody great at chess.<BR/><BR/>I haven't posted on the thread in <BR/>question, but I do not see it as bad either. The twisted and sick sense of humour you see, is what sailers, soldiers and airmen use to get by... in situations you can't even comprehend.<BR/><BR/>To all those who are pointing out that we (soldiers and arrsers) are the ones who go on "humanitarian" missions.<BR/><BR/>You seem to be indicating that the thread that has disgusted you so much should prevent us from doing such vital missions.<BR/><BR/>So I say crack on, write to who ever you wish to. Stick on the bottom that you wish to volunteer for the next humanitarion relief effort.<BR/><BR/>After you have seen a few hundred starving children pleading with you to give them more food, shelter or to take them home with you....<BR/><BR/>After you have exhumed the mass graves of those slaughtered by their neighbours of many years....<BR/><BR/>After you have stood, paralysed by the politicians that sent you, as you have no legal mandate to intervene.....<BR/><BR/>When you've tidied up the wreckage of a "political statement" from some loony group.....<BR/><BR/>When you've boarded the plane home, sick to the pit of your stomach that you couldn't do more....<BR/><BR/>When you've comforted those who have lost all in the latest Foot and Mouth outbreak or floods....<BR/><BR/>When you've spent days awake attempting to hold back the flood waters, and still lost...<BR/><BR/>When you've got out of bed the next day, picked up your kit and tackled it like the day still can be won.<BR/><BR/>Come and find me, I'll stand you a beer. I'll be in the NAAFI Bar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com