tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post5128933243810283848..comments2024-03-19T07:36:33.915-04:00Comments on Of Battered Aspect: Sounds That Cause Fury (Edit)Dave Hingsburgerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-22287128306684404002012-09-20T10:02:10.562-04:002012-09-20T10:02:10.562-04:00As a middle school teacher of mostly Latino studen...As a middle school teacher of mostly Latino students, I've learned a list of words equivalent to f*gg*t in Spanish. And my kids know exactly how I feel about all of them! (Same thing with the R word.) They figure out the difference between when they say a swear word, and I just remind them to "watch your language," rather than when I hear a slur against a group of people. They figure out quickly that won't be tolerated!Kristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06868874343026873104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-5829306497896311062012-09-20T09:48:47.219-04:002012-09-20T09:48:47.219-04:00Thanks Dave....I'm not sure though that "...Thanks Dave....I'm not sure though that "frittata" would have been any better.joannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05343527109541284534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-2062694827114463082012-09-20T09:25:08.368-04:002012-09-20T09:25:08.368-04:00Hi, I did make an edit and noted that in the title...Hi, I did make an edit and noted that in the title so people may look again at the test and the comments. Thanks for helping me be more clear.Dave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-81803411073349994562012-09-20T08:18:03.581-04:002012-09-20T08:18:03.581-04:00I have to agree that I paused at the "order a...I have to agree that I paused at the "order a burger" statement too. I thought about it for a minute and realised you meant that it would be difficult if words had no meaning. <br />It did feel a bit awkward, though. <br />Thanks for replying and making it clear what you intended. CAMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-67151279568588639802012-09-19T18:44:42.011-04:002012-09-19T18:44:42.011-04:00Anon, thank you for your comment, let me clarify, ...Anon, thank you for your comment, let me clarify, I said, "I'm surprised he can order a burger" not because of communication impairment but because his words seem to have no meaning ... if a F*ggot isn't a F*ggot then how can a burger be a burger. However, I can see how what I wrote could be interpreted exactly as you read it. I will try to be much more careful in the future. I thought of changing the post but decided that I'd like people to see what I wrote and then read what you said - if I learned from your comment, others can too.Dave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-6324267613569993742012-09-19T16:34:03.742-04:002012-09-19T16:34:03.742-04:00I agree with the post. But I'm surprised that ...I agree with the post. But I'm surprised that you write, 'it's amazing this man can order a burger'. Maybe it's because I'm a speech pathologist who works with people who struggle to order a burger, who can't remember the words or who often aren't understood when they communicate.<br />Use of this phrase I think equates ignorance with communication impairment.<br />Maybe I am being over touchy about this. But I read the phrase and ... pause... blink... I don't like this... I guess I react viscerally to this phrase!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-88883122998263062242012-09-19T16:00:21.789-04:002012-09-19T16:00:21.789-04:00Homosexuality in professional team athletics remai...Homosexuality in professional team athletics remains a taboo subject. The entire team knew he was doing it, and none of them had the guts to tell him it was a bad idea? Perhaps the 'team' should get a little slap as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-48026441438086939522012-09-19T12:35:59.914-04:002012-09-19T12:35:59.914-04:00I thought his defense that the word is used all th...I thought his defense that the word is used all the time in Latin culture, and that English speakers just don't understand, was interesting. <br /><br />It might be true that people are much less likely to blink at the word "maricon" in Spanish speaking countries. An English-speaking player would probably never imagine he could get away with writing the f-word on his face before a game, while Escobar clearly didn't anticipate a backlash.<br /><br />But none of that makes it any more okay to me. Nobody disputes that the word means "gay" or (at the very least) "not macho" when used in this way. Escobar was using "gay" as an insult. It might happen all the time in his culture, but it's still demeaning to gay people.<br /><br />And really, "that's so gay" and the r-word and offensive words for women, and minorities, are used in English constantly. So I don't think his culture is as different as he imagines. English speakers use oppressive words all the time. It's "just locker room culture." But those words are hurtful, and it's something that we need to challenge and change.<br /><br />I'm glad the team took what he said seriously. I'm also a huge supporter of the You Can Play project, and I think they have already made a real difference in sports.CLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-92115303146223856352012-09-19T12:22:22.874-04:002012-09-19T12:22:22.874-04:00Definitely no apology. Definitely a lack of judge...Definitely no apology. Definitely a lack of judgement. Definitely the Blue Jays are not doing enough as a team. <br /><br />HOWEVER -- there is definitely talk and discussion on the matter beyond your blog and maybe your blog and that conversation will help educate and challenge the idea that anything about his actions is acceptable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-11384984289558045612012-09-19T12:02:21.768-04:002012-09-19T12:02:21.768-04:00Princeton Posse, I think it's important not to...Princeton Posse, I think it's important not to tie ignorance or bigotry to intellegence like you just did. Suggesting that those with high intellegence and scholastic acheivement are better more moral people is exactly the arguement that the eugenics movements uses to justify the elimination of people with intellectual disabilities. Smart people aren't better people.Karennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-50314125089532305412012-09-19T11:54:28.351-04:002012-09-19T11:54:28.351-04:00I agree Dave. If words don't mean anything th...I agree Dave. If words don't mean anything then why bother talking? I think we also have to keep in mind that this fellow is an athlete (not known for high intelligence and scholastic achievement), not rocket scientist! Princeton Possenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-57830117195450026872012-09-19T09:33:18.703-04:002012-09-19T09:33:18.703-04:00The arguement that "It doesn't mean anyth...The arguement that "It doesn't mean anything" is the most ridiculous one imaginable. Of course it means something. If it didn't, why put it there in the first place. <br />Consider someone making the same arguement over the use of the "N" word. Would "It doesn't mean anything and I didn't intend to offend" sound like a reasonable defense? NO! Of course not! Sponsorships and endorsements would be pulled. There would be a huge outcry.<br />It is shocking that such as statement can even begin to pass as an apology!wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-44498064737418937592012-09-19T09:16:01.510-04:002012-09-19T09:16:01.510-04:00Write on Dave, Write on!Write on Dave, Write on!TMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461950214743501747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-57641068050191424452012-09-19T08:56:48.003-04:002012-09-19T08:56:48.003-04:00This is such a powerful post. Thank you so much fo...This is such a powerful post. Thank you so much for writing it.Liz Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469435277058701080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-61540063661829013182012-09-19T08:25:46.765-04:002012-09-19T08:25:46.765-04:00There is a slight silver lining. The Jays are dona...There is a slight silver lining. The Jays are donating his three day salary (to the tune of $87,000) to the You Can Play Project and GLAAD, and I've never seen an organization yet that couldn't use an extra $40,000. Deplorable behaviour, but at least some good has come out of it. Utter Randomnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08010190479645800897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-47583863434298524142012-09-19T08:18:29.402-04:002012-09-19T08:18:29.402-04:00Seriously - one would have to be living under a ro...Seriously - one would have to be living under a rock to think that such behaviour would be appropriate in any setting. Shame, shame, shame on him. I hope all the negative response will teach him a life lesson - and in turn teach others. It probably is the best we can hope for from such an ignorant man. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-51978163810604434532012-09-19T07:49:57.067-04:002012-09-19T07:49:57.067-04:00Here Here Dave! I was so offended at hearing the i...Here Here Dave! I was so offended at hearing the interview... NO accountability!Bubbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03068381906840645929noreply@blogger.com