tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post6287054746444455775..comments2024-03-19T07:36:33.915-04:00Comments on Of Battered Aspect: Toilet TimeDave Hingsburgerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-87237363027409316072012-06-11T14:22:35.551-04:002012-06-11T14:22:35.551-04:00This was a great post, Dave! The nerve of some peo...This was a great post, Dave! The nerve of some people!! Have a good Monday☼Andrea Bastiennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-28857286110672426032012-06-10T18:04:42.316-04:002012-06-10T18:04:42.316-04:00I only use the accessible toilet if all the others...I only use the accessible toilet if all the others are busy/broken. But then again, I don't go to the same bathrooms as you. Maybe women are politer about it.Ettinahttp://abnormaldiversity.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-75213837193641231852012-06-09T19:21:37.580-04:002012-06-09T19:21:37.580-04:00I don't care if a non-disabled person uses the...I don't care if a non-disabled person uses the accessible stall when the bathroom is busy. It's got a toilet.<br /><br />But, yeah, I agree with the people who seem to use it as a vacation spot. My favorite are the women who use the handicapped stall to change their clothing. <br /><br />I used to work somewhere where the handicapped stalls that also had sinks in them. Women would go in there for 10 minutes, primping and using hairspray and perfume, generally making it impossible for anyone to breathe. And I'd be outside having the following conversation:<br /> Me: Excuse me, I really need to use the handicapped stall<br /> Selfish $@$(: Just use one of the regular stalls, honey<br /> Me: I am disabled, I need to use the handicapped stall, please<br /> Selfish $@$(: I'll just be a few more minutes.<br /><br />10 minutes later, if I haven't wet myself, or even if I can, I can finally go pee, after the previous occupant gathers her bags of clothing, accessories, and for all I know a frakkin novel, and sticks up her nose at me for daring to ask her to leave her nest.<br /><br />(HR's comment was, "We're not in the job of policing who uses the bathroom." Yeah, thanks.)Moosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10397412122635951126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-33325190820164828432012-06-09T10:29:52.165-04:002012-06-09T10:29:52.165-04:00Louise, do you need a key for those toilets? If so...Louise, do you need a key for those toilets? If so, is it one of the ones you can buy?Utter Randomnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08010190479645800897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-53675040356014689552012-06-09T03:54:59.852-04:002012-06-09T03:54:59.852-04:00While we're talking about toilets....! In the ...While we're talking about toilets....! In the UK we now have some great toilets for those who need a changing table and hoist:http://changing-places.org/ They're not yet in every city, but there are more and more, and it means a whole day out for some people (like my foster son) who could never have such a thing before because of the need to return home for the bathroom.Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05460117480302002841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-85946241084662225982012-06-08T22:39:55.034-04:002012-06-08T22:39:55.034-04:00How many non-disabled people have to involve stran...How many non-disabled people have to involve strangers in their toileting? Not many, I would guess.<br />I, on the other hand, must very often ask strangers to open a toilet door for me, or close it after me.<br />And how about those large office buildings where the only accessible toilet is in the basement and the key is held by a security guard and so you have to hunt him down and he has to open the door for you?<br />And how about those large buildings that have no accessible toilet at all?<br />And how about...? But any wheelchair user could just go on and on about toilet adventures they have had out in the world.wheeliecronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10570378001102933660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-26824504739759762732012-06-08T16:49:12.515-04:002012-06-08T16:49:12.515-04:00I think part of the toilet obsession might be beca...I think part of the toilet obsession might be because the "accessible" ones are so rarely everything they are supposed to be - it's annoying when they're not and actually exciting when they are!<br /><br />I've never seen a non-disabled person in my twitter feed saying "OMG! Went to the ladies and it was clean and safe to use!" because nine times out of ten the ladies' loo will meet the requirements of the lady using it without a fuss (I wouldn't know about the gents). Whereas nine times out of ten, I will find myself having to deal with *something* - untangling the emergency alarm cord from around the bars, or manoeuvring around a nappy-change bin, or physically moving whatever random crap is being kept in the transfer space, or drying my hands on my jeans because I can't reach the sink and the hand dryer from the same position and I don't want to move my power assisted chair with wet hands, not to mention minor irritations like no mirror, and having to ask at the bar for a key (which always feels like asking permission to go pee) when my non-disabled counterparts don't have to.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11639094548415759560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-40005900952148970972012-06-08T13:34:00.607-04:002012-06-08T13:34:00.607-04:00Colleen, I often feel guilty as well, but that fad...Colleen, I often feel guilty as well, but that fades when I get a glare from mothers with children. They seem particularly angry when they see me waiting for the stall. *shrugs* <br /><br />Universal design would be an excellent step in the right direction, but I can see it being a fight every step of the way :(. I hope it becomes a reality in the future.Utter Randomnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08010190479645800897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-66443834297675077002012-06-08T13:06:17.947-04:002012-06-08T13:06:17.947-04:00I would love to say the titled were cleverly chose...I would love to say the titled were cleverly chosen ... But it was chance. Thanks for noticing and giving me a laugh.davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-18954665123498428352012-06-08T11:57:42.023-04:002012-06-08T11:57:42.023-04:00LOL, That's what I was thinking Kristine, grea...LOL, That's what I was thinking Kristine, great follow-up Dave!Princeton Possenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-84192636147787387962012-06-08T10:29:52.743-04:002012-06-08T10:29:52.743-04:00I'm enjoying the top two headlines when I open...I'm enjoying the top two headlines when I open your blog now, because my brain connects them: "toilet time: throne of shame." :)Kristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06868874343026873104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-42907208140399663352012-06-08T10:25:58.044-04:002012-06-08T10:25:58.044-04:00For quite a while at my old job after my son was b...For quite a while at my old job after my son was born, the only place I <i>could</i> pump was the accessible stall. It was the only available private spot close enough to the electrical socket. And I always felt guilty and angry about it.<br /><br />Eventually, I got permission to use my boss's office, then an empty conference room, and finally a supply closet with a locking door.Liz Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469435277058701080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-89285714054812717822012-06-08T09:02:58.707-04:002012-06-08T09:02:58.707-04:00If our society promoted universal design this woul...If our society promoted universal design this would be a non-issue. Unfortunately we are a long way from universal design. I am one of those people who has an invisible need to use the accessible stall and I feel guilty every time!Colleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-83125841742646756492012-06-08T05:51:21.570-04:002012-06-08T05:51:21.570-04:00Anonymous, this "pretenders" rhetoric is...Anonymous, this "pretenders" rhetoric is really detrimental to the access for people with invisible disabilities. I know that there are fakers out there, but comments like that lead to vigilantism in the form of verbal abuse. I even know of a young man with an invisible disability who was punched for asking for a seat on the bus. You do not know who does and does not need accessible stalls. They are not just for wheelchair users, they are for everyone who needs them, including people who need the grab bars to stand up. Those people may look like "fakers" and they get a lot of abuse for it. It creates a hierarchy of disability and frankly, it sucks.<br /><br />That being said, there is no reason for anyone to be using any bathroom stall, but especially the accessible stall, for anything other than doing their<br />business. I always try to be quick when I have to use the accessible stall. <br /><br />On the question of schools, I was always under the impression, reinforced by the need for a special key, that the accessible bathrooms were off-limits.Utter Randomnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08010190479645800897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-90214201724521710322012-06-08T05:23:55.650-04:002012-06-08T05:23:55.650-04:00Louise, personally, I have no objection to the acc...Louise, personally, I have no objection to the accessibility stall being used when all the others are taken. I figure that then, it's the only one accessible to you. My complaint is using it when all the others are free, or, really, even one other. But that's my take. I am not ridgid about the toilet, it mostly gets me when people camp in there knowing I'm outside waiting. I say to Joe, 'I'll wait till this one is free so I can get in with my wheelchair' and then hear someone turn the page on a newspaper.Dave Hingsburgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-47438251294095551992012-06-08T04:48:21.695-04:002012-06-08T04:48:21.695-04:00Dave - you are not alone with the "fixation&q...Dave - you are not alone with the "fixation" around the toilet - special needs toilet that is. I'm in the club. It grates me something fierce when someone walks out - young and carefree - phone in hand - when I am "dying" waiting. <br /><br />Yet I know a lot of women with children like the space so they can keep their eyes on the kids. I applaud places that offer family bathrooms for that very reason. <br /><br />It is maddening that builders do the minimum code - the least they can do - to provide specially equipped washrooms for those that need them. As our population ages - there are more and more people that need help. <br /><br />You are not far off with the cleanliness either. Since the larger stalls are also used as break rooms (which is gross by the way) they seem to be more than disgusting.<br /><br />Sometimes I wish that the stalls could only be opened by those that have a disability pass - like those for the car for the parking stalls. That would weed out some of the "pretenders".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-17029757687306506102012-06-08T04:42:01.365-04:002012-06-08T04:42:01.365-04:00Hmmmm. There's often a very long queue at the ...Hmmmm. There's often a very long queue at the ladies toilet. If the accessible toilet is free and no sign of anyone arriving to use it, I'll use it. Not to text, read or smoke. Just use it, in the normal way, assuming that any disabled person arriving once I'm inside will wait only moments. <br />Dave and others, do you think this is wrong?Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05460117480302002841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-4511861178829471622012-06-08T02:44:32.956-04:002012-06-08T02:44:32.956-04:00In our office the accessible washroom was frequent...In our office the accessible washroom was frequently used by a co-worker for breast-pumping. :-)Tamarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04624151975591059655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-15814514259267819022012-06-08T02:42:30.094-04:002012-06-08T02:42:30.094-04:00I hear what you are saying but...in schools, acces...I hear what you are saying but...in schools, accessible loos are often viewed as something strange and other and non-disabled youngsters wouldn't be seen dead in them...A couple of years ago, one young man I work with commented after overhearing somone say "I'm not going in THERE!" when hurrying to the loos (pointing to the accessible toilet)..."do they think they'll catch something if they go in there...It's just a toilet for gods sake!" A conversation with a couple of his friends meant they sometimes now use one of the 4 accessible loos around the site, and they use them with a bit of an air of defiance...not against any (interestingly, unspoken) rule of non-disabled pupils shouldn't use these loos, but in a "we don't mind using these, what's the problem?" kind of way. 'Seems to work in this situation...what do others think?Heidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576954199083817950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-51495540272171593752012-06-08T01:09:11.420-04:002012-06-08T01:09:11.420-04:00Great post!
I sometimes use the disability toilet ...Great post!<br />I sometimes use the disability toilet because of my water pills and I have to go desperatly. <br />Last time at a concert there was a second door to the toilet and the cleaning woman would look into the toilet who was going to use it.<br /><br />After a short call to her about my medication and the offer to show her my operation-scar I was friendly granted the use of this toilet otherwise I would have peed my pants.<br /><br />But good to know that someone looked that it was used only by the people it is meant to be used.<br /><br />JuliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com