tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post2548453133791343658..comments2024-03-19T07:36:33.915-04:00Comments on Of Battered Aspect: The SymbolDave Hingsburgerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11918601687946534172noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-19541823452072491272015-09-18T09:00:42.148-04:002015-09-18T09:00:42.148-04:00People used to object to LS Lowry's paintings ...People used to object to LS Lowry's paintings because they included so many disabled people. They thought he was exaggerating. Actually he was painting a typical Salford street scene and painting what he saw. Have a look at Lowry's work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11070540869313492327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-11260644629400539992015-09-08T22:27:26.553-04:002015-09-08T22:27:26.553-04:00@CapriUna, I did the same thing! My brain took a l...@CapriUna, I did the same thing! My brain took a long moment to process through, "Are they warning that a chair might slide backward? Is it a steep ramp? Are they telling us to back down it? What's going on...?" I got there eventually. :)Kristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10853148802460437796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-51873742423007980182015-09-08T19:10:03.636-04:002015-09-08T19:10:03.636-04:00Wait ... you took a break from watching zombies sl...Wait ... you took a break from watching zombies slaughtering humans in order to watch a program about humans slaughtering other humans? Er... okay... :o)<br /><br />But seriously, I don't think there is any more excuse for erasing disabled people from post-apocalyptic fiction than there is for erasing us from any other fiction<br /><br />Here is some more dialogue around this issue that has been circulating around in Tumblr:<br /><br /><a href="http://andreashettle.tumblr.com/post/123559573783/reblog-if-you-would-read-a-post-apocalyptic-comic" rel="nofollow">http://andreashettle.tumblr.com/post/123559573783/reblog-if-you-would-read-a-post-apocalyptic-comic</a><br /><br />(And if you click on the notes and keep scrolling, there are more comments that people have made in other versions of the same post going around Tumblr. Tumblr, unfortunately, is not the ideal platform for sustained large-group conversations. Good for other things like signal boosting, but not for that.)Andrea Shettle, MSWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16984732076766787818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-91693981895031687832015-09-08T13:28:48.995-04:002015-09-08T13:28:48.995-04:00@ Kristine:
\o/ Woot! That's fantastic. Congr...@ Kristine:<br /><br />\o/ Woot! That's fantastic. Congratulations!<br /><br />(also, as a silly aside: My brain mixes that directional arrow with that wheelchair symbol, and tells me the person is rolling backwards down the ramp).CapriUnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906524679880178584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-43052065004220760452015-09-08T10:21:55.352-04:002015-09-08T10:21:55.352-04:00But I will! I'll be one of those people in a w...But I will! I'll be one of those people in a wheelchair on tv! On an episode of Portlandia!<br /><br />I know you already know that, because you see my Facebook. But I can't pass an opportunity to mention it. :)Kristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06868874343026873104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-75422368127545318472015-09-08T09:46:39.097-04:002015-09-08T09:46:39.097-04:00I don't think the absence of visibly disabled ...I don't think the absence of visibly disabled people in crowd scenes on TV (and in cinema) is the result of <i>deliberate</i> "ugly law" thinking (or, I don't <i>like</i> to think that), but rather, it's the result of casual, careless, casting, when it comes to extras.<br /><br />Directors want everything in a scene to be perfectly controlled. So when they film on location, in an actual street, they will close the street off completely, and <i>hire</i> every single person in the background. And, if they have able-bodied privilege, as most of them do, they just don't consider hiring anyone with a disability to simply be in the crowd for the sake of realism. ... Just like people don't think to ask you for help in opening jars. :-)<br /><br />But, like you, I've noticed the complete lack of "our kind" in crowd scenes. And that's how I've come to recognize, within seconds, as I'm channel surfing, whether I'm watching fiction or nonfiction on the screen: <br /><br />In the real world, wheelchairs and walkers are just about <em>everywhere</em>.<br /><br />(Though, <i>once</i>, I saw a wheelchair person in background on a TV cop show. And I cheered. ... Until later in the episode, when it was revealed that he was planted there as a Clue-to-the-motive).CapriUnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906524679880178584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35743239.post-63306700301631201232015-09-08T08:54:14.488-04:002015-09-08T08:54:14.488-04:00There are so many interesting old people - you don...There are so many interesting old people - you don't see them much in movies and TV.<br /><br />There are so many wonderful people who also happen to be fat - they are there only if they're so funny they can't be ignored.<br /><br />TV and movies are full of perfect people. There are a few perfect people in wheelchairs as main characters (Ironsides, Dark Angel) or in bed completely paralyzed and yet still fascinating (The Bone Collector), but not many just THERE, being themselves, and getting the job done - or being part of the background.<br /><br />Part of that is the physical demands on filming, long days in holding pens for extras, and the same scene repeated over and over, a tiring task for healthy people. But part of it is exactly what you said, ignorance of real life, and the refusal to portray it.<br /><br />ABEhrhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211038591900883672noreply@blogger.com